Hand Discussion 3 "Badly played monster"

I know I played the hand pretty poorly.. but I was just wondering if most people would:

a) Take the same line on the flop in checking, or bet out (How much?)
b) I am assuming most people would be raising here.. but do you raise less to try get both to call?
c) I know my river bet was poorly sizes (I bet pot hoping he obv had a 4 and couldnt lay it down).. but how much are you valuebetting.

TY

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $1(BB) Prima
SB ($96.81)
BB ($59.50)
Hero ($165)
UTG+1 ($134)
CO ($102)
BTN ($33.41)

Dealt to Hero : :

Hero raises to $3, UTG+1 calls $3, fold, BTN calls $3, SB calls $2.50, BB calls $2

FLOP ($15) : : :

SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, BTN checks

TURN ($15) : : : :

SB bets $5, BB calls $5, Hero raises to $18, UTG+1 folds, BTN folds, SB calls $13, BB folds

RIVER ($56) : : : : :

SB checks, Hero bets $55, SB folds

Hero shows : :

Hero wins $52.70


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My response:

With 3 callers pre and such an awesome flop (straight draw. flush draw, no high cards), I think you should be C betting here.

How much you bet is interesting - you basically want to represent either AK/AQ or a big hand such as a AA KK in my opinion to align with your preflop raise!

However in doing this though I think you want to represent a big hand that is played by a Scared of big pots player to either the flush draw hitting, or the straight hitting (not scared as in shove the flop so noone has the odds)

If someone has the a 4 (e.g. A4 or 45) most likely the money's going in anyway so not really worth worrying about.

With a multiway pot it builds up very quickly and half pot or 3/4 pot bets like 6 or 8$ will, in my opinion, scare away a lot of opponents (basically you will need the first guy to call to give the other guys the odds) and not achieve your objective - which is to undercharge the fish who think they can make a bigger hand than yours even though they can't, and if they hit their draw (e.g. a straight or flush draw) - then they can get overexcited about it and commit their stack, or miss and potentially bluff.

With a weaker holding you would obviously have to charge accordingly as if they hit their draws their hand will become stronger than yours. (e.g. if you had AA then you don't want the pot to continue multiway)

So I would bet the flop, but I would do a scared bet like a 3rd or just under half the pot (3-5$) and try to induce as many callers as possible. Then again the same bet on the turn - give them too good odds so they can't refuse their flush or straight draw and then over charge value bet them on the river when the pot is alrdy big!! They might even intepret your turn or flop bet as weak and re raise..premium

It's unlikely anyone will overtake your 77 so you don't need to protect your hand with a big bet here (someone with e.g. 88 or 99 might re raise your flop bet anyway and build the pot which is the main goal, or some fish might reraise 56 suited thinking -hes drawing to lots of premium hands)

It might even get to the river and you can make an overvalue bet (like pot) representing a missed flush draw (e.g. AK suited, remember you raised in UTG) and get a big value bet called on the river from a hand like 22,33,66,88 etc.


As always it depends on your table and your image at the table, if you bet every flop then bet again, if they are all fish and love calling any draw regardless of size, then just overvalue bet - if they are super aggresive and love raising draws then check to them.

If they are reasonably logically players TAG or you don't have much information on them, then I would persue the route above as I think this is extracts the maximum value.