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***** Hand History for Game 1111111111 ***** (On Game)
Tourney Hand NL Texas Hold'em - Saturday, September 25, 10:57:32 ET 2010
Table Table 5 84776349 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 4: Player4 ( $67636.00 USD ) - VPIP: 22, PFR: 16, 3B: 2, AF: 1.3, Hands: 193
Seat 9: Player9 ( $46481.00 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 8, 3B: 0, AF: 2.3, Hands: 102
Seat 10: Player10 ( $54943.00 USD ) - VPIP: 20, PFR: 15, 3B: 9, AF: 3.0, Hands: 184
Seat 3: Hero ( $55692.00 USD ) - VPIP: 24, PFR: 17, 3B: 8, AF: 2.3, Hands: 72174
Player4 posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
Player9 posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
Player10 posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
Hero posts ante of [$120.00 USD].
Player4 posts small blind [$600.00 USD].
Player9 posts big blind [$1200.00 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kh As ]
Player10 raises [$3000.00 USD]
Hero ????????
so whats the plan here I have a healthy stack flat in pos 3bet? R we playing for stacks here if we 3bet?
if we 3bet whats the optimal betsize here?
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My response:
I'd 3 bet here but probably a bit bigger than easyeasyeasy - more like 10 or 11k as the pot is pretty big alrdy with the antis, 3k to 8k gives him pretty good odds to call (5k to win about 13.5k) with ur deepstacks.
If he shoves then your almost always calling 4 handed with AK and for probably a first place pot late in the tourny - unless you have some sort of awesome read on him (if he does shove it would feel pretty flippy to me like JJ or QQ, I'd go for it at this point of the tourny)
If he flats and checks to you on the flop, with a 20-25k pot and you both having 45k behind, most times I would shove the flop - this makes your life a lot easier and because you built a big pot pre your close to the odds even if he has an overpair and elects to call (e.g. the flop is 628 and he has JJ)...you were planning on calling his shove pre anyway so whats the difference? Only this time you got a bigger pot to win without a showdown. I don't like the idea of making a weak C bet then potentially folding....epic leak in my opinion
Also if he has a hand like JJ, he will probably think along the lines of "I'll call pre and check raise a low flop", then if you flat shove it makes his decision a lot harder
P.s. this is a lot more effective late in a tournament than early in a tournament as people will call off a lot lighter early in a tourny
I don't think shoving preflop is that awful (although not my preferred route) for a couple of reasons:
1) Your AK is very likely to be the best hand so your taking the 5.5K pot down that is rightfully yours (which is 10% of your stack)
2) It's inviting your opponents to make mistakes, there is nothing more annoying than having some mug shove on you everytime you raise when you have deepstacks and coming up to a crucial time relative to the payout structure and competition end, especially Shorthanded when it is more noticable and you know you need to raise more than a full ring game as the anti's and blinds will eat you.
It's awesome when you have a good run of cards and keep shoving on your opponents and eventually they give way and make a bad call ("this donk shoves all the time! if he shoves now im calling this AJ/99 pre despite having 40bbs!!" - ever done that before and ran into AA/KK or AK? lol i have...
)The other factor to consider is your table image and your read on him, e.g. if he is a calling station then obviously don't shove any flop without an A or K, or if you have been 3 betting/contiuation betting a lot then your shoves going to get a lot less respect
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